They are not the same. They are both logarithms, but they are different logarithms. Explanation: There's a huge difference between log and ln A logarithm is a form of math used to help solve the following sort of problems: ax=b The question you're asking here is to what power do I need to raise a to get b? This exact thing can be said using logarithms (as shown below): logab=x The relationship between logarithms and exponents is described below in given figure. That value a there is what we call our base, and it can vary based on what problem you're trying to solve. When you have a base 10, then it's convention to just drop the base from the notation, since it's implied that you're talking about a base of 10. So log(3) and log10(3) are one and the same thing, the same way x and 1x are the same thing: they tell you the same thing, but one has superfluous information. When you have a base e, you switch to ln, and again drop the base from your notation. So ln(3) is the exact same thing as loge(3). As you can see, log(x) and ln(x) are not the same thing. They involve the same concept, and are both logarithms, but they are still different things.